"Why don't men pursue women anymore?"

[chosenone]

There have been a few cases here in the UK recently involving very well know men where women have come forward many years later and it turned out that the man was guilty of serious prolonged and severe sexual abuse over a very long period of time of many very young women and in many cases children.
Some did come forward at the time but weren't believed, other cases of abuse involving famous people in the establishment were covered up by those in power who ordered the police not to investigate it and to even get rid of any evidence. Many knew that no one would believe them over the word of a famous man, and were actually told by the men that there was no point in them saying anything as who would believe them? Yet others were only children who rarely tell about abuse anyway because their blame themselves. Many told no one, and have only now had the courage to do so knowing that others victims have come forward, and always thought they were the only one. Some of the men are now in jail,  and others sadly are no longer alive to face the justice that was due to them, but will now be suffering Gods judgement.   

I don't know the circumstances surrounding the cases you mention, but the problem is that the accused has a right to be presumed innocent until PROVEN guilty. It's not good that some who are guilty go unpunished, but isn't it at least as horrible if an innocent person is punished? That's the rule of presumption of innocence, with the burden of proof on the accuser. Men's BASIC human right to due process and presumption of innocence is under attack.

Speaking of Cosby, and MANY men, all it took was accusations and absolutely nothing more to do incredible damage to them. Whether he is guilty or not, it is very evil that a woman should have that kind of power to ruin a man at a whim like that, but that's what they have. Thankfully there are women who are against that reality--some women lie about rape (I read an article detailing cases of it) or other kinds of abuse for a variety of motives, but the real point is the profound violation of a man's basic human rights.

If you are interested look up Jimmy Saville(thought to have been the most prolific sexual abuser of children ever in the UK), Rolf Harris, Max Clifford, and Cyril Smith. The later was an MP, very high up in his Govt party, who abused young boys in childrens homes for many many years. Sadly he and Jimmy died before their terrible deeds came to the public attention, the other two are in jail.   

[Cally]

There have also been 3 or 4  cases here involving famous men which have been thrown out because of lack of proof or evidence despite a woman's testimony, so the word of one lady isnt enough, and if she is telling the truth she will never get her justice. 

And that's the nature of presumption of innocence. NO ONE should have the ability just to accuse someone at a whim and put him or her in jail, regardless of the crime. There is nothing special about the crimes done to women by men . The law doesn't have eyes everywhere, and it is absolutely evil to give someone the power to ruin someone else's life with nothing more than an accusation.

But I have seen so many examples of women being caught on a recording threatening a man to falsely accuse him or later admitting it to realize, it's not just a few conniving women who know full-well they unjustly possess the power to do such a thing to a man. I think it shows that the average woman does.

It tells me that only a minority of women respect the personhood of a man on a fundamental "love your neighbor as yourself" sense. The women out there who actually do are very rare and really stick out.

[chosenone]

There have also been 3 or 4  cases here involving famous men which have been thrown out because of lack of proof or evidence despite a woman's testimony, so the word of one lady isnt enough, and if she is telling the truth she will never get her justice. 

And that's the nature of presumption of innocence. NO ONE should have the ability just to accuse someone at a whim and put him or her in jail, regardless of the crime. There is nothing special about the crimes done to women by men . The law doesn't have eyes everywhere, and it is absolutely evil to give someone the power to ruin someone else's life with nothing more than an accusation.

But I have seen so many examples of women being caught on a recording threatening a man to falsely accuse him or later admitting it to realize, it's not just a few conniving women who know full-well they unjustly possess the power to do such a thing to a man. I think it shows that the average woman does.

It tells me that only a minority of women respect the personhood of a man on a fundamental "love your neighbor as yourself" sense. The women out there who actually do are very rare and really stick out.

  There are countless women who are like, by far the majority, and remember all the women who  were abused as children or adults who never got any justice.

[Cally]

by far the majority,

A matter-of-fact statement that (as usual) completely ignores my argument. If the majority of women respected the personhood of a man, we wouldn't have the situations and injustices in the law.

The lack of presumption of innocence for men is a violation of a basic human right. I keep seeing women just knowing with every fiber of their being how terrible it is for women to be done an injustice, passionate on their own behalf, but it is RARE for women to care about a violation and injustice like this for men's sake.

When a minority of men hurt women, a majority of men tend to go all-out to help and be supportive. When men are hurt by women, it's rare for women to get anywhere near as involved. The Lord has absolutely blessed me to show me that some women do, but it is very, very rare.

I've seen countless news stories of women (oftentimes teachers) who sexually abused boys and they get a slap on the wrist compared to the punishment that men get for abusing girls.

I know three men personally who were abused by women as boys, and their offenders got NO punishment. In one of those cases, the female abuser threatened to accuse her male victim of rape if he resisted her. And I've read stories about this.

And this is what I'm saying: whether every woman exploits her near-unlimited legal power over a man, I find it evident that the average woman KNOWS that she has the ability. And where is the righteous indignation over the fact? The same righteous indignation that causes women to get indignant on their own behalf when they are done the injustice?

Do you see my reasoning? Many women see perfectly eye-to-eye with me on this, believe it or not, right down to the fact that they (these women) know that they're a minority in their abilities to actually care about the personhood of men.

[Red Baker]

I keep seeing women just knowing with every fiber of their being how terrible it is for women to be done an injustice, passionate on their own behalf, but it is RARE for women to care about a violation and injustice like this for men's sake.

I will praise my wife, she is such a woman.  She also has nine grandsons that she does not mind standing up for~she like a bear with baby clubs

[JohnDB]

Usually these days guys have to understand that there are many predatory women out there.

Many women love to seek victim status while actually being the predator.   Between being a false acccuser and intentionally becoming pregnant for a child support check women got it made.

I liked things better when they didn't have equal rights. ....it worked well for thousands of years but we has to "fix" things.

I wonder what will get "fixed" next....maybe the USSR or the Middle East. ..oh wait we fixed them into chaos too...

[Cally]

I will praise my wife, she is such a woman.  She also has nine grandsons that she does not mind standing up for~she like a bear with baby clubs

That is awesome Red! I celebrate with you for that.

[Cally]

I liked things better when they didn't have equal rights. ....it worked well for thousands of years but we has to "fix" things.

The thing is, women have always had their own sets of privileges afforded by men since time immemorial.

But oh boy, feminists want "equality"? We need to take the gloves off and make sure they get the rough stuff with the good. Right now MANY women exploit their time-honored advantages and failing to consider the disadvantages that men have and always have had (partly for their taking care of women).

[JohnDB]

I would dare say that most women have sought some kind of advantage using unfair means. 
But men do it as well.

Right now though this behavior on both sides is not getting either sex what they want the most....a spouse.

So what's the solution?

JESUS

In the meantime people are waiting till 30 to get married if they marry at all.
Most births are happening outside of families and the single parent households are the largest demographic in America. 

If those statistics don't show that things are desperately broken then I don't know what does.

Being single is the worst epidemic we have in America. ...and the cure is love.  Can the affected get the cure?  Will they want to?

[Red Baker]

I will praise my wife, she is such a woman.  She also has nine grandsons that she does not mind standing up for~she like a bear with baby clubs

That is awesome Red! I celebrate with you for that.

My dear brother, I pray the same for you, in God's appointed time.

[chosenone]

Its also true that there are many men out there who use and abuse women, however, there are also many good men as there a as there are  many good women. To say that most women are out to cheat men just isnt true. There will always be a minority who act badly in both sexes.

[chosenone]

I would dare say that most women have sought some kind of advantage using unfair means. 
But men do it as well.

Right now though this behavior on both sides is not getting either sex what they want the most....a spouse.

So what's the solution?

JESUS

In the meantime people are waiting till 30 to get married if they marry at all.
Most births are happening outside of families and the single parent households are the largest demographic in America. 

If those statistics don't show that things are desperately broken then I don't know what does.

Being single is the worst epidemic we have in America. ...and the cure is love.  Can the affected get the cure?  Will they want to?

The young people I know in their 20s and 30s who arent married(many of them Christians) simply havent found the right one to marry. They would love to be married.
In the world of course its different, and while many couples do eventually marry, its often after being together for many years. 

[Cally]

To say that most women are out to cheat men just isnt true.

To say that most women don't mind the fact that they have the capacity to ruin a man's life with nothing more than an accusation is my diagnosis that I justified. And that reflects a majority of women disrespecting the personhood of men.

Oh! But more talk about good ones. There's a really tiny facebook group I came across: "women against paternity fraud." Just a random happy thought that jumped to mind.

Once in a while, women care. No doubt about it.

[chosenone]

To say that most women are out to cheat men just isnt true.

To say that most women don't mind the fact that they have the capacity to ruin a man's life with nothing more than an accusation is my diagnosis that I justified. And that reflects a majority of women disrespecting the personhood of men.

Oh! But more talk about good ones. There's a really tiny facebook group I came across: "women against paternity fraud." Just a random happy thought that jumped to mind.

Once in a while, women care. No doubt about it.

  Most women are decent human beings Cally, you hear of some cases of women acting badly and paint the majority as the same. I have had men in my family acting appallingly, but I dont assume that all men act like that just because a few did.

Bad behaviour isnt confined to one sex. 

[Cally]

you hear of some cases of women acting badly

Eh, whatever. I'm only going to end up repeating myself.

[chosenone]

you hear of some cases of women acting badly

Eh, whatever. I'm only going to end up repeating myself.

Why do you try and make out that most women act the way a few you have heard of do?  I have known hundreds of women in my life, and most of them were/are just normal people, wives and mothers just trying to do their best and are not man haters in any way shape or form. Its like when a person has been treated badly by one other person, and they then say things like 'I hate all men, they are all the same' or 'all women are all horrible'.

I know a young man aged nearly 28 who had a bad relationship with a lady several years ago who said she was a Christian, and now he says that he wont ever go out with a Christian lady again. Now how immature is that? Does he honestly think that women in the world will be better than a genuine Christian girl? He is prepared to disobey God because he had one bad experience 7 or 8 years ago? Good grief 

[Cally]

Why do you try and make out that most women act the way a few you have heard of do?  I

I have no idea how I could make the concept I am trying to convey more simple for you. But let me try this another way in case it helps.

Am I saying all women would sexually abuse boys? No.
Am I saying all women would falsely accuse men? No.
And so on.

And here's what bothers me about your reaction. The emphasis of this whole thread to begin with was NOT a focus one women's bad behavior. The focus was on the protection of men who are in danger because of women's unjust capacities to destroy him with an accusation

This is not a jump and saying that most women do this to a man.

Let me see if I can make myself excruciatingly clear: I would like to see women proclaiming that "women should NOT have a legal ability to get a man thrown in prison from an accusation with no other evidence." And, "women should face equal punishments for a crime as men." That and a whole host of other issues. All of this with the same vigor with which they declare the necessity for women's justice.

Yes, I'm seeing a growing number of women do so! PRAISE GOD!!!!! However, it was/is the indifference to men's personhood among women that (mostly) created these legal injustices to begin with.

Yes, that speaks very badly for the majority of women at the moment. Not in a "women are innately evil," sense, but with regards to widespread modern-day behavior for sure.

And the thing is, as much as I try to avoid saying it, your reaction is a case-in-point. When men suffer this kind of disadvantage and injustice such that they are increasingly unsafe, that should mean something to you.

The thing that really pushes me over the edge is all the "where have all the good men gone?" sentiments that come out after women don't demonstrate that they care about men's well-being.

I'm sorry the discussion got ugly, honestly, and I'm also sorry that you're upset. But it's a reality men face, and men have to be realistic about it and fight it. The problems out there are horrible and unavoidable, and ignoring them doesn't make them go away.

Personally . . . seeing more and more women take interest, care, and get involved out of a sense of justice is a big help and comfort to me. HUGE deal. It is no small thing when I say I am grateful to God for women who have energy left over in the "love your neighbor as yourself" level with regards to men more than a "what can men do for me?" attitude.

Before you argue with me any more, can you do me a favor and think about this really really hard, please? Because your rebukes continuously misrepresent what I have been saying. Please try to walk through what I've said, exactly how I reasoned it.

[JohnDB]

you hear of some cases of women acting badly

Eh, whatever. I'm only going to end up repeating myself.

I sooooo feel your pain.

[chosenone]

you hear of some cases of women acting badly

Eh, whatever. I'm only going to end up repeating myself.

I sooooo feel your pain.

Thats because you both have a downer on women in general. It comes out in so many of your posts.

[chosenone]

The thing is that if men werent persuing women generally(not just in the colleges), then everyone would be single. Being that most people end up either married or in a relationship, there must be a whole lot of persuing going on.

Yes indeed, many people are still getting married or having relationships.

Marriage rates are nose diving, however. Many people gripe about the fact without bothering to get themselves informed, and come up with worthless criticisms. Many men are avoiding marriage because of the legal dangers in today's world, and that's a fact. Fewer and fewer men are choosing to ignore warnings that come from horror stories that reflect how unprotected a man is in today's world.

Strange that I have never known a single man who is avoiding marriage for those reasons. If it was SO common you would think I would have known at least one wouldnt you . The single young men I know would lOVE to marry, but they havent met anyone yet.

[chosenone]

Amen, tennman, but that's the paradox of feminism itself: even as more women prove their "independence," it still boils down to showing up on men's doorstep to fix their problems, including enabling the world to be this generous cradle in which "equality" is feasible.

But again, today, the providers are in trouble from being so taxed. If women are equal, indeed, can't they do some of the rescuing? I wouldn't mind that in any case. Just look at Proverbs 31:20 about the woman of noble character: "she extends her arms to the needy." What, and a husband is excluded from that if he's the one who's needy?

And then yet again are these cowardly traditionalists: "a man should be the sole provider." Feminism seeks out and destroys men's material success so women can take men's places, and they succeed! Get with it!!!

And credit where it's due: the true Godly women that I've been SO BLESSED to find--just to behold them--are spectacular in their love.

But yeah, it's cowardly and it's a hate-on. Likewise, I think the "men should pursue women" is what you say, and to suggest that the woman should have all the choosing leverage.

  Biblically the women are told to look after the husband and children. Many godly men I know believe that they should earn the money while the wife cares for the home and family. It does seem God ordained it to be that way. 

[chosenone]

To say that most women are out to cheat men just isnt true.

To say that most women don't mind the fact that they have the capacity to ruin a man's life with nothing more than an accusation is my diagnosis that I justified. And that reflects a majority of women disrespecting the personhood of men.

Oh! But more talk about good ones. There's a really tiny facebook group I came across: "women against paternity fraud." Just a random happy thought that jumped to mind.

Once in a while, women care. No doubt about it.

WHy did  you write this?

'It tells me that only a minority of women respect the personhood of a man on a fundamental "love your neighbor as yourself" sense. The women out there who actually do are very rare and really stick out'

Cally when you have been out on the world more, have more life experience, and met many more women, rather than reading all this stuff on line, you will see that most women, not just a  few, care about all people, both men and women, and are, as I said, just normal people/wives/mothers just trying to do the best they can in their cIrcumstances.

Because you read so much of this stuff, about the 'poor old men who are are so badly treated by the horrible evil women' in the world, you get a very skewed picture of women and of what most of them are like and it isnt as you describe.

I could give you loads of examples of men I know or have known or who I have heard of who have acted appallingly. Several cases of severe sexual/physical abuse of their own children, physical abuse of their wives, repeated adultery, walking out on their wives and small children for another lady,  getting other women pregnant, and those particular examples are from families I have known personally. However I must not let this skew my picture of all men, and make out that MOST men act this way, because I can acknowledge that most men are pretty good decent human beings. You implying that only a tiny minority act in the right way is incredibly offensive to the majority of women who would never act in the way you describe, never have and never would.

Bad, sinful, abusive, unfair, wrong and cruel behaviour is done to people by both men and women. Women to men, men to women, men to men and women to women.   Please go to God with this. You have it all way out of proportion and you have such a downer on women which I think God is very sad about.

Also you implying that men don't marry because they somehow fear it and what may happen if they do, doesn't wash. Most people end up getting married eventually in their lives, and the fact that so many couples live together now is simply because its so accepted and no one think its immoral any more. Not so long ago it was very frowned upon to live together outside marriage ,and few did it, now many people think you are odd of you DO wait for marriage till you live together.

[Cally]

Choseone:

No matter how many times I repeat it, you never acknowledge the difference in me saying that all women behave outright badly (which I am not), and that there is a huge legal injustice present that puts men in incredible danger.

I believe it is shameful of you that you can't manage to respect men's personhood enough for such a thing to mean anything to you. You think it's perfectly fine that a woman can accuse a man of anything she wants and get him locked up for nothing but an accusation? As you make clear that you think women should get justice against those who harm them, does it mean anything to you that justice isn't served to the same capacity against women who harm men (when it happens, however often or seldom it happens).

But no. You're so stuck on this "you're being down on women" that the issue that harms men flies clear over your head. And that is disgusting. And like what you demonstrate, I find that this attitude that you exhibit (like men hardly matter nearly as much as women) disturbingly common among women, such that these injustices exist.

You DO know at least one man who avoids marriage because of this: me. I have known many women, I've seen the "sweetheart" sides of a number of them, some have shown interest in me (at least several I have in mind outright expressed it),  I love them and treat them as kindly as I can manage. Some women with a lot of wonderful qualities, NO doubt about it, but two things: I cannot forget how unprotected I am as a man, and there is a lot of doubt in me over which women are contributors to the legal/cultural problems men have such that I am in such a vulnerable state as a man.

I am FAR from the only man who thinks this way, only a lot of men who do came from horrible experiences themselves. Some men treat women horribly, but here's the big fat difference: a man who suffers from a woman is a LOT more abandoned by others than women who are in distress because of how much more people are full of zeal to rescue women than men. A LOT of the blame for this falls on men too.

I'll never get tired of saying it though: I DO know some wonderful, wonderful women. My hope grows more with the more of them that I see! Yes, proving that a woman can in fact have a human empathy for a man after all! Another thing that's really great is seeing groups in which people are supporting male victims (a place where I see some of these women) who tend to have so little options. One man mentioned how he was giving another man shelter from his abusive wife (since men otherwise have NOWHERE to go in such cases like women can go to DV shelters).

Am I a little"fixated"? Sure, but that's because prudence is in order when cultural/legal misandry victimizes men with so little protection or options.

I have definitely beaten all of this to death. Honestly, chosenone, what is making you want to argue with me anymore? I'd understand a desire for anyone to debate if you're actually paying attention to what I'm saying.

Okay, how about this: I heard what you said. You know all kinds of godly ladies. Fabulous! That has NOTHING whatsoever to do with the topic I started or any of the points I made later, but fine. I heard you: you know hundreds of Godly ladies. Thank you. Is your mission now accomplished, now that I acknowledged what you have said? What more can I do for you?

I am sorry that you are upset.

[Cally]

Chosenone:

Actually, I just had one final thought you might consider.

Men all throughout history, I believe, were--as you put it--people doing the best they could with their circumstances. They were husbands and fathers trying to take care of their families to the best of their abilities. I wasn't there, so to speak, but I suspect they were decent people not unlike the way you tell me that most women are decent people.

And yet, in the post-feminist world, I'm to understand they were all "oppressors of women." In some fashion, collectively, men put down women ALL throughout history. What do you think? Modern men are not supposed to be offended by that claim they way you take offense at the suggestion that women contribute to a condition in the modern world that is oppressive to men.

There's a big difference in my mind, however: it's the modern woman who preaches not to oppress that is doing the oppressing in a lot of cases--AFTER this claim that men of all history contributed to the "oppression of women," women who have enough time on their hands to indict men proceed to either be indifferent or direct contributors to conditions that oppress men. Men of old may not have had time on their hands to question their "woman-oppressing" culture either way, yet the modern woman (yes, broad brush) complains like a pro for women's sake but proceeds to ignore inequalities toward men. I say it again and again, "not all women are like that" is an understatement because more and more women are indeed taking a stand against feminism for men's sake.

Perhaps you could flex your thinking a bit and consider that--accusing me of being "down on women" when it is common to be "down on men" for men ALL throughout history as oppressors of women. ;-)

[JohnDB]

I'm beginning to think Chosenone is a part of the vast feminazi conspiracy. ....

Relies solely on known logical fallacy of personal experience
completely ignores vast sections of gender equality posts
blind/deaf to any opinion but her own

[Cally]

^And takes offense at a discussion of men's well-being and protection, and disadvantages that men face--thinking that ought to be a forbidden subject, as if men should just suffer in silence.

Sorry, chosenone, because I genuinely pity you. There's a lot of insecurity behind a sheer inability to reason through ideas as they are actually reasoned out than "you're being down on women" knee-jerk reactions. I wonder what I could do for you, as you are a human being as precious as anyone else, but at the same time it's not going to make me (and an increasing number of other people) shy away from subjects pertaining to the protection of men.

[DaveW]

".... shy away from subjects pertaining to the protection of men."

Cally - do you forget that we ARE men and do not need protection?

[Cally]

Cally - do you forget that we ARE men and do not need protection?

That is insane.

Look at the world today, and tell me that men are absolutely invincible, that they cannot possibly be harmed, or harmed by a woman.

Dave I pity you intensely for this attitude for your own sake but (speaking for this recurring attitude in general) you are also a danger to other men. So I would say, men need protection from men like you as well. Jezebels may be pleased to have their Ahabs to kill men for them, and that is no sort of righteousness.

Dave let's say that you're insane proposal is accurate just for a moment: let's not protect men! Let's let them drop like flies when they are threatened. Let's let innocent men get locked up in jail, let's let wives hurt their husbands, let's let women do whatever harm they want to men.

Who will be left to protect women, then? Wake up, Dave!

[chosenone]

^And takes offense at a discussion of men's well-being and protection, and disadvantages that men face--thinking that ought to be a forbidden subject, as if men should just suffer in silence.

Sorry, chosenone, because I genuinely pity you. There's a lot of insecurity behind a sheer inability to reason through ideas as they are actually reasoned out than "you're being down on women" knee-jerk reactions. I wonder what I could do for you, as you are a human being as precious as anyone else, but at the same time it's not going to make me (and an increasing number of other people) shy away from subjects pertaining to the protection of men.

Umm Cally practically the only thing you ever speak about on this forum is 'the terrible way that us poor men are treated by you horrible women'.  Honestly I have a husband, 2 brothers, 3 nephews and three adult sons, and none of them feel that way nor have this 'poor old men we are so hard done by' attitude that you have. All except one are happily married or happily with a partner, and have no bad attitudes towards women at all.  Its very unappealing and indicates a bitterness and resentment towards women that surely needs dealing with.

It doesnt mean that anyone who can see this is in anyway insecure(which I thought was a very weird thing to say), they are merely able to recognise something in you, and a tiny number of other men here, that I am not sure you are able to see at all.
 
You need to recognise that a small number of men and women treat others badly regardless of their sex. The way you make it out to be, is that most women are horrible to men, and the men, poor dears, are helpless to defend themselves or make good decisions or take responsibility for their own actions.

Please think about this seriously. How would you take it if I, or another woman, were here all the time bringing up case after case after case of the appalling way that men have treated their wives, children, girlfriends, partners, mothers or women in general, and then have the cheek to imply that most men are like that and you cant trust them, and that women should never get married because they will be abused or badly treated by their husbands? Wouldn't you think that was very one sided and a total exaggeration of the truth? Wouldn't you want to stand up for the majority of men who weren't like that? Wouldnt you think that was very unfair and an attack on men in general? Wouldn't you think that that woman had issues with men in general that needed dealing with and healing?

I dont think that men should need women to fight for them, but just that we ALL treat each other, whatever sex we are and whatever sex they are, with respect. There will always be those who act badly, and we have to accept that because we live in a  fallen world. We are only responsible for how WE treat others. Women arent responsible for how another woman acts, the same as men are not responsible for how some man act. The majority are not responsible for the bad behaviour of the minority, and should never be in anyway blamed for their actions. 

[Cally]

Chosenone, you are outright slandering me. It's true, of bad behavior is mentioned--that's entailed in mentioning the vulnerability of men. But the focus is the protection of men.

How would you take it if I, or another woman, were here all the time bringing up case after case after case of the appalling way that men have treated their wives, children, girlfriends, partners, mothers or women in general, and then have the cheek to imply that most men are like that and you cant trust them, and that women should never get married because they will be abused or badly treated by their husbands?

Again, this is slander for what I actually said. I explicitly clarified that I did not mean to say that most women WOULD hurt their husbands or men in general.

I said, women have the capabilities to do that for unjust reasons. Women have the capability to falsely accuse a man and get him punished without the presumption of innocence, due process, or proof.

Have you seriously taken anything like a math class, or done anything involving logic, not to be able to make this distinction? Your handicap in  reasoning is utterly staggering. I freely admit, the discussion involves a lot of ugliness, but your reactionary nature arrives at false conclusions and you are at the point of slandering me.

[Alan]

My 1st response to this thread; I have to agree with the articles intent and the sentiment that Cally has brought forth, but I also believe there are reasons for extreme and unjust feminism today. Men have been outright abusive and oppressive toward women in past times, the bra-burning era created a new mentality for women that has escalated out of control. We hear this same sort of testimony over and over again in Church, where women, regardless of the pain incurred in their relationship will use every once of their power to gain control. Worldly women desire dominance today and their outward actions are proof positive of that fact. What we see is narcissism and other control issues at every level of relationship. Even in Bible school many of the women were challenged by the alignment God had set forth in relationship, but once they submitted to God's will these issues seemed to come to light and were overcame, but out in the world without God there exists no moral compass regarding alignment, and regardless of how loving and compassionate a woman may be there is still a feminist mentality that invokes a certain control over men.

The fear that men in college may possess regarding false accusations is just a life long process, if a women is capable of this sort of crime at that age, what is going to stop her from the same crimes throughout her life?     

[Cally]

Men have been outright abusive and oppressive toward women in past times,

Oh, but watch out, Alan! We're against making statements like "all women" or "all men" are like that, right? ;-)

Whether what you say is true or not, I don't believe in excusing the current culture for this blatant injustice toward men as a group. And it is PRODUCTIVE to make men aware of this danger that they face.

Sorry, by the way--yes, there has to be new adjustments to current-day situations, no doubt about it. It's not a pretty subject, but we have to live with and deal with it. Men are not invincible.

[Alan]

Men have been outright abusive and oppressive toward women in past times,

Oh, but watch out, Alan! We're against making statements like "all women" or "all men" are like that, right?

Whether what you say is true or not, I don't believe in excusing the current culture for this blatant injustice toward men as a group. And it is PRODUCTIVE to make men aware of this danger that they face.

Yep, despite any past wrong doings by men as a whole has resulted in the modern day woman vowing to never be inferior to a man, the problem is that this mentality is often carried out through the injustices we so often hear about today, hence the article.

[Wycliffes_Shillelagh]

I detest "women" interviewers in a man's sport such as football.

We detest them too *coughFOXcough* but it's mostly because they hire airheads who aren't knowledgeable about the game, and not so much because they lack boy parts.

Jarrod

[chosenone]

Men have been outright abusive and oppressive toward women in past times,

Oh, but watch out, Alan! We're against making statements like "all women" or "all men" are like that, right? ;-)

Whether what you say is true or not, I don't believe in excusing the current culture for this blatant injustice toward men as a group. And it is PRODUCTIVE to make men aware of this danger that they face.

Sorry, by the way--yes, there has to be new adjustments to current-day situations, no doubt about it. It's not a pretty subject, but we have to live with and deal with it. Men are not invincible.

What you usually say is 'most' or the 'majority', or 'hardly any' women act well, not 'all.'


Whatever you say cally, the fact is that the number of men are are accused of bad behaviour such as you described is very small. Have you ever personally known a man who has been arrested and accused of sexual harassment/abuse/attack after he dated a lady for example? I certainly haven't and I don't know anyone who has.
True sexual abuse of women and children(boys and girls) has been covered up for so long that its good that at last its being believed and accepted, and that the abusers are actually being charged and convicted. If women are in fear of being accused of 'making things up' then the truth will never come out and that would be sad.