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Quote from: Bitter Sweet on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 18:29:24

Quote from: fish153 on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 18:19:18

Quote from: Bitter Sweet on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 18:15:33
Man and woman are 1 flesh, then we have Jesus and God. Does the holy spirit have male or female attributes?

God is not based on what attributes we have-----we are based on what attributes He has---He created us--not the other way around.

So the HS isn't personified as male or female? If the HS is a person, the third person, is the HS a he or a she? Jesus is male. God as you say is both since we are created in his image, where does that leave the HS?

The entire Trinity is personified as male. Father, Son and Holy Spirit is also 'He'.

http://www.gotquestions.org/Holy-Spirit-gender.html

A common mistake made with regard to the Holy Spirit is referring to the Spirit as "it," something the Bible never does. The Holy Spirit is a person. He has the attributes of personhood, performs the actions of persons, and has personal relationships. He has insight (1 Corinthians 2:10-11). He knows things, which requires an intellect (Romans 8:27). He has a will (1 Corinthians 12:11). He convicts of sin (John 16:8). He performs miracles (Acts 8:39). He guides (John 16:13). He intercedes between persons (Romans 8:26). He is to be obeyed (Acts 10:19-20). He can be lied to (Acts 5:3), resisted (Acts 7:51), grieved (Ephesians 4:30), blasphemed (Matthew 12:31), even insulted (Hebrews 10:29). He relates to the apostles (Acts 15:28) and to each member of the Trinity (John 16:14; Matthew 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14). The personhood of the Holy Spirit is presented without question in the Bible, but what about gender?

Linguistically, it is clear that masculine theistic terminology dominates the Scriptures. Throughout both testaments, references to God use masculine pronouns. Specific names for God (e.g., Yahweh, Elohim, Adonai, Kurios, Theos, etc.) are all in the masculine gender. God is never given a feminine name, or referred to using feminine pronouns. The Holy Spirit is referred to in the masculine throughout the New Testament, although the word for "spirit" by itself (pneuma) is actually gender-neutral. The Hebrew word for "spirit" (ruach) is feminine in Genesis 1:2. But the gender of a word in Greek or Hebrew has nothing to do with gender identity.

Theologically speaking, since the Holy Spirit is God, we can make some statements about Him from general statements about God. God is spirit as opposed to physical or material. God is invisible and spirit (i.e., non-body) - (John 4:24; Luke 24:39; Romans 1:20; Colossians 1:15; 1 Timothy 1:17). This is why no material thing was ever to be used to represent God (Exodus 20:4). If gender is an attribute of the body, then a spirit does not have gender. God, in His essence, has no gender.

Gender identifications of God in the Bible are not unanimous. Many people think that the Bible presents God in exclusively male terms, but this is not the case. God is said to give birth in the book of Job and portrays Himself as a mother in Isaiah. Jesus described the Father as being like a woman in search of a lost coin in Luke 15 (and Himself as a "mother hen" in Matthew 23:37). In Genesis 1:26-27 God said, "Let us make humankind in our image, after our likeness," and then "God created humankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them, male and female he created them." Thus, the image of God was male and female - not simply one or the other. This is further confirmed in Genesis 5:2, which can be literally translated as "He created them male and female; when they were created, he blessed them and named them Adam." The Hebrew term "adam" means "man" - the context showing whether it means "man" (as opposed to woman) or "mankind" (in the collective sense). Therefore, to whatever degree humanity is made in the image of God, gender is not an issue.

Masculine imagery in revelation is not without significance, however. A second time that God was specifically said to be revealed via a physical image was when Jesus was asked to show the Father to the disciples in John chapter 14. He responds in verse 8 by saying, "The person who has seen me has seen the Father!" Paul makes it clear that Jesus was the exact image of God in Colossians 1:15 calling Jesus "the image of the invisible God." This verse is couched in a section that demonstrates Christ's superiority over all creation. Most ancient religions believed in a pantheon - both gods and goddesses - that were worthy of worship. But one of Judeo-Christianity's distinctives is its belief in a supreme Creator. Masculine language better relates this relationship of creator to creation. As a man comes into a woman from without to make her pregnant, so God creates the universe from without rather than birthing it from within . . . As a woman cannot impregnate herself, so the universe cannot create itself. Paul echoes this idea in 1 Timothy 2:12-14 when he refers to the creation order as a template for church order.

In the end, whatever our theological explanation, the fact is that God used exclusively masculine terms to refer to Himself and almost exclusively masculine terminology even in metaphor. Through the Bible He taught us how to speak of Him, and it was in masculine relational terms. So, while the Holy Spirit is neither male nor female in His essence, He is properly referred to in the masculine by virtue of His relation to creation and biblical revelation. There is absolutely no biblical basis for viewing the Holy Spirit as the "female" member of the Trinity.

Quote from: Bitter Sweet on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 18:29:24

Quote from: fish153 on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 18:19:18

Quote from: Bitter Sweet on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 18:15:33
Man and woman are 1 flesh, then we have Jesus and God. Does the holy spirit have male or female attributes?

God is not based on what attributes we have-----we are based on what attributes He has---He created us--not the other way around.

So the HS isn't personified as male or female? If the HS is a person, the third person, is the HS a he or a she? Jesus is male. God as you say is both since we are created in his image, where does that leave the HS?

Jesus says "When He, the Comforter(The Spirit of Truth) has come, He will guide you into all truth" (John 16) So Jesus is describing the Spirit as a "He".  God is infinite though----so He has infinite attributes. None of us can understand infinite things with finite limited minds.

Quote from: howard on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 18:36:53

Quote from: Man_Of_Honor on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 18:20:01
Matthew 12:31–32

31 Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32 And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

we can blaspheme Jesus But not the HS

try putting this HS in the verse you put
John 6:63 (KJV)

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Let's read about those who teach Gods word wrong

Matthew 5:19 (KJV)
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them , the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Look what God did to those who taught and done his word wrongly

Romans 1:18-21,26,28 (KJV)
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; [19] Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. [20] For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: [21] Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. [26] For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: [28] And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Read the whole chapter

That holy spirit that is blasphemed and will not be forgiven is God's word

It is not God the holy spirit or the Holy spirit

No, howard. Holy Spirit is a Person. Jesus is the Word. If you blaspheme Holy Spirit, which is pretty close to what you are doing here, you cannot be forgiven, because it is His work that brings you to repentance! If you deny Him, what forgiveness is there if you reject His work in you, and cannot come to repentance?

Quote from: fish153 on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 18:43:24

Quote from: Bitter Sweet on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 18:29:24

Quote from: fish153 on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 18:19:18

Quote from: Bitter Sweet on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 18:15:33
Man and woman are 1 flesh, then we have Jesus and God. Does the holy spirit have male or female attributes?

God is not based on what attributes we have-----we are based on what attributes He has---He created us--not the other way around.

So the HS isn't personified as male or female? If the HS is a person, the third person, is the HS a he or a she? Jesus is male. God as you say is both since we are created in his image, where does that leave the HS?

Jesus says "When He, the Comforter(The Spirit of Truth) has come, He will guide you into all truth" (John 16) So Jesus is describing the Spirit as a "He".  God is infinite though----so He has infinite attributes. None of us can understand infinite things with finite limited minds.

The church is personified as female, a bride too, is the church a woman?

Can we just as easily say the church is a person now?

Quote from: Bitter Sweet on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 19:36:43

Quote from: fish153 on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 18:43:24

Quote from: Bitter Sweet on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 18:29:24

Quote from: fish153 on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 18:19:18

Quote from: Bitter Sweet on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 18:15:33
Man and woman are 1 flesh, then we have Jesus and God. Does the holy spirit have male or female attributes?

God is not based on what attributes we have-----we are based on what attributes He has---He created us--not the other way around.

So the HS isn't personified as male or female? If the HS is a person, the third person, is the HS a he or a she? Jesus is male. God as you say is both since we are created in his image, where does that leave the HS?

Jesus says "When He, the Comforter(The Spirit of Truth) has come, He will guide you into all truth" (John 16) So Jesus is describing the Spirit as a "He".  God is infinite though----so He has infinite attributes. None of us can understand infinite things with finite limited minds.

The church is personified as female, a bride too, is the church a woman?

Can we just as easily say the church is a person now?

http://www.gotquestions.org/bride-of-Christ.html

Question: "What does it mean that the church is the bride of Christ?"

Answer: The imagery and symbolism of marriage is applied to Christ and the body of believers known as the church. These are those who have trusted in Jesus Christ as their personal savior and have received eternal life. In the New Testament, Christ, the Bridegroom, has sacrificially and lovingly chosen the church to be His bride (Ephesians 5:25-27). Just as there was a betrothal period in biblical times during which the bride and groom were separated until the wedding, so is the bride of Christ separate from her Bridegroom during the church age. Her responsibility during the betrothal period is to be faithful to Him (2 Corinthians 11:2; Ephesians 5:24). At the Second Coming of Christ, the church will be united with the Bridegroom, the official "wedding ceremony" will take place and, with it, the eternal union of Christ and His bride will be actualized (Revelation 19:7-9; 21:1-2).

At that time, all believers will inhabit the heavenly city known as New Jerusalem, also called "the holy city" in Revelation 21:2 and 10. The New Jerusalem is not the church, but it takes on the church's characteristics. In his vision of the end of the age, the Apostle John sees the city coming down from heaven adorned "as a bride," meaning that the inhabitants of the city, the redeemed of the Lord, will be holy and pure, wearing white garments of holiness and righteousness. Some have misinterpreted verse 9 to mean the holy city is the bride of Christ, but that cannot be because Christ died for His people, not for a city. The city is called the bride because it encompasses all who are the bride, just as all the students of a school are sometimes called "the school."

As believers in Jesus Christ, we who are the bride of Christ wait with great anticipation for the day when we will be united with our Bridegroom. Until then, we remain faithful to Him and say with all the redeemed of the Lord, "Come, Lord Jesus!" (Revelation 22:20).

Now is the time for Wisdom, and Understanding.

It's Time for everyone to take a deep Breath, and LISTEN and acknowledge what is happening here, and where we are.

Indeed, Blasphemy is a serious crime, and so too is a conviction by Two or more Witnesses bearing the Truth.

So I am asking EVERYONE here to prayerfully reconsider any further steps before taking them.
I believe that the Word of God is for EVERYONE, and that it is ultimately up to each of us to approach our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ; who is the ONLY mediator between God and man, with a sincere desire for God's best for ALL of us.  Can we all agree on that point?

I want only the best for LS, and Howard, and Fish and everyone who has participated in this thread.  Don't you too? 

So let's take a prayerful "time-out" and consider Paul's exhortation to all, to consider each others conscience, and to not hold in contempt anyone who eats, or who does not eat, for sake of conscience.  For each of us must live out our life before our Lord, who Sanctifies and Justifies each believer in His own timing.  The truth in love.

I love you Howard, and you too Lively Stone, and everyone here also.  Let's hang-out together later, and after a cooling down time better spent by each of us in the Presence of God.

I am going to pray for us all, that if any of us needs correction, that the Almighty One who is the Head of ALL would grant us a pathway to repentance, that we might all come to the full and saving knowledge of the Truth in Christ.  Would anyone agree with me in that prayer?

Peace, my Brethren.
And May God bless you all, amen
Mikey

Quote from: Mikey888 on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 19:53:05
Now is the time for Wisdom, and Understanding.

It's Time for everyone to take a deep Breath, and LISTEN and acknowledge what is happening here, and where we are.

Indeed, Blasphemy is a serious crime, and so too is a conviction by Two or more Witnesses bearing the Truth.

So I am asking EVERYONE here to prayerfully reconsider any further steps before taking them.
I believe that the Word of God is for EVERYONE, and that it is ultimately up to each of us to approach our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ; who is the ONLY mediator between God and man, with a sincere desire for God's best for ALL of us.  Can we all agree on that point?

I want only the best for LS, and Howard, and Fish and everyone who has participated in this thread.  Don't you too? 

So let's take a prayerful "time-out" and consider Paul's exhortation to all, to consider each others conscience, and to not hold in contempt anyone who eats, or who does not eat, for sake of conscience.  For each of us must live out our life before our Lord, who Sanctifies and Justifies each believer in His own timing.  The truth in love.

I love you Howard, and you too Lively Stone, and everyone here also.  Let's hang-out together later, and after a cooling down time better spent by each of us in the Presence of God.

I am going to pray for us all, that if any of us needs correction, that the Almighty One who is the Head of ALL would grant us a pathway to repentance, that we might all come to the full and saving knowledge of the Truth in Christ.  Would anyone agree with me in that prayer?

Peace, my Brethren.
And May God bless you all, amen
Mikey

I am for it.

Quote from: Man_Of_Honor on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 19:56:05

I am for it.

Thank you, Man of Honor, and...
I thank God for you too.

Sincerely
Mikey

Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 18:34:40

Quote from: howard on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 18:25:12

Quote from: fish153 on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 18:13:03

Quote from: howard on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 17:56:02

Quote from: fish153 on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 17:42:02

Quote from: howard on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 17:36:01

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Quote from: howard on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 16:51:47

Quote from: fish153 on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 16:01:10

Quote from: howard on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 15:51:43
John 16:12 (KJV)
I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

The Lord had many things he wanted to say to the disciples but they could not bear it so he did not tell them

The Godhead is one of those lesson that many are not able to bear

God the holy Ghost is one of those subject people believe but can't prove

The New Testament if full of references to the Holy Spirit as a "He" and as a "person". Only a person can be "grieved" or "insulted".  Acts says the Holy Spirit has made the Apostles overseers of the church which God bought with His own blood.    Timothy states "The Spirit speaks expressly that in the last days many shall depart from the faith".  Only a person can "speak".

The Holy Spirit is definitely referred to as a Person----He is part of the Trinity--Father Son and Holy Spirit---clearly taught in Scripture.

Fish

Are you saying God the HS started in the NT?
Is he in the OT?

Yes---the Holy Spirit is in the Bible from beginning to ending.

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.  Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters". (Gen. 1:1,2)

"And the Spirit and the bride say, Come" (Rev. 22:17)

Fish

Is this God the Holy spirit?

Yes---God the Holy Spirit. (spirit with a capital "S" please--He is God).

In order to determine  the holy spirit from God the HS is by the use of a capital S?

What spirit would this be, by the way it's not capitalized

Exodus 35:31 (KJV)
And he hath filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship;

In the original writing the Hebrew language scrolls did not have punctuation or capitalization
How do you come up with a God the HS and trinity based on grammar

Brother you are reaching?

Are you a babe in the word?

I don't care if the original didn't capatilize words.  One writes God, not god out of respect.  I am asking you to respect the Holy Spirit by capatilizing his name as you would Jesus or God.  I am not basing God the Holy Spirit on grammar, but upon scripture. I am asking for capatilizing out of pure respect for the honorable being, third person of the Trinity,  the Holy Spirit.

Your emotion don't matter
Facts are facts grammar don't dictate the holy spirit title
there are many spirit of God and not one is God and to think that
The determining factor is a capital s is purely emotions

You have been asked to use the capitals in the name, Holy Spirit, and you are now being dismissive and incredibly rude. there is no possible way one can have a discussion with people who act like that. Not only that, but it reveals a character that still needs to be touched by the oil of Holy Spirit.

The person who is rude is you LS anyway if you rea my post the capital HS is visible
But what has that to do with anything find God the HS in the bible and quit using childish tactics

Quote from: Mikey888 on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 20:07:57

Quote from: Man_Of_Honor on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 19:56:05

I am for it.

Thank you, Man of Honor, and...
I thank God for you too.

Sincerely
Mikey

Me too, God will hear the prayers.

Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 18:47:57

Quote from: howard on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 18:36:53

Quote from: Man_Of_Honor on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 18:20:01
Matthew 12:31–32

31 Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32 And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

we can blaspheme Jesus But not the HS

try putting this HS in the verse you put
John 6:63 (KJV)

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Let's read about those who teach Gods word wrong

Matthew 5:19 (KJV)
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them , the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Look what God did to those who taught and done his word wrongly

Romans 1:18-21,26,28 (KJV)
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; [19] Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. [20] For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: [21] Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. [26] For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: [28] And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Read the whole chapter

That holy spirit that is blasphemed and will not be forgiven is God's word

It is not God the holy spirit or the Holy spirit

No, howard. Holy Spirit is a Person. Jesus is the Word. If you blaspheme Holy Spirit, which is pretty close to what you are doing here, you cannot be forgiven, because it is His work that brings you to repentance! If you deny Him, what forgiveness is there if you reject His work in you, and cannot come to repentance?

Jesus words are spirit
Jesus is a spirit

John 4:24 (KJV)
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

When we run into the word spirit in the bible when does it apply to Jesus or the Father

Quote from: Bitter Sweet on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 20:39:03

Quote from: Mikey888 on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 20:07:57

Quote from: Man_Of_Honor on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 19:56:05

I am for it.

Thank you, Man of Honor, and...
I thank God for you too.

Sincerely
Mikey

Me too, God will hear the prayers.

Thank you, Sweet one.
There is Beauty in the Bond of peace.

Mikey

Quote from: fish153 on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 18:33:05

Quote from: howard on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 18:25:12

Quote from: fish153 on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 18:13:03

Quote from: howard on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 17:56:02

Quote from: fish153 on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 17:42:02

Quote from: howard on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 17:36:01

Quote from: fish153 on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 17:23:59

Quote from: howard on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 16:51:47

Quote from: fish153 on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 16:01:10

Quote from: howard on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 15:51:43
John 16:12 (KJV)
I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

The Lord had many things he wanted to say to the disciples but they could not bear it so he did not tell them

The Godhead is one of those lesson that many are not able to bear

God the holy Ghost is one of those subject people believe but can't prove

The New Testament if full of references to the Holy Spirit as a "He" and as a "person". Only a person can be "grieved" or "insulted".  Acts says the Holy Spirit has made the Apostles overseers of the church which God bought with His own blood.    Timothy states "The Spirit speaks expressly that in the last days many shall depart from the faith".  Only a person can "speak".

The Holy Spirit is definitely referred to as a Person----He is part of the Trinity--Father Son and Holy Spirit---clearly taught in Scripture.

Fish

Are you saying God the HS started in the NT?
Is he in the OT?

Yes---the Holy Spirit is in the Bible from beginning to ending.

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.  Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters". (Gen. 1:1,2)

"And the Spirit and the bride say, Come" (Rev. 22:17)

Fish

Is this God the Holy spirit?

Yes---God the Holy Spirit. (spirit with a capital "S" please--He is God).

In order to determine  the holy spirit from God the HS is by the use of a capital S?

What spirit would this be, by the way it's not capitalized

Exodus 35:31 (KJV)
And he hath filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship;

In the original writing the Hebrew language scrolls did not have punctuation or capitalization
How do you come up with a God the HS and trinity based on grammar

Brother you are reaching?

Are you a babe in the word?

I don't care if the original didn't capatilize words.  One writes God, not god out of respect.  I am asking you to respect the Holy Spirit by capatilizing his name as you would Jesus or God.  I am not basing God the Holy Spirit on grammar, but upon scripture. I am asking for capatilizing out of pure respect for the honorable being, third person of the Trinity,  the Holy Spirit.

Your emotion don't matter
Facts are facts grammar don't dictate the holy spirit title
there are many spirit of God and not one is God and to think that
The determining factor is a capital s is purely emotions

LOL.  Nowhere did I say a capital "S" was a determining factor about whether the Holy Spirit is God or not.  I gave you scriptures from Genesis and Revelation (they are also found in John, Acts, 1 Corinthians, and several other places) which show the Holy Spirit to be a Person, and a member of the Godhead.  If you want to ignore those scriptures that's your prerogative. If you'd rather be referred to as howard than Howard that's fine with me too. 

Where in those scriptures does it say that the Holy capital Spirit Is God

Where Fish?
Like I said before you have the trinitarians see the word spirit in your case capital s Spirit and you think it's God the HS

Quote from: Man_Of_Honor on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 19:51:42

Quote from: Bitter Sweet on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 19:36:43

Quote from: fish153 on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 18:43:24

Quote from: Bitter Sweet on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 18:29:24

Quote from: fish153 on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 18:19:18

Quote from: Bitter Sweet on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 18:15:33
Man and woman are 1 flesh, then we have Jesus and God. Does the holy spirit have male or female attributes?

God is not based on what attributes we have-----we are based on what attributes He has---He created us--not the other way around.

So the HS isn't personified as male or female? If the HS is a person, the third person, is the HS a he or a she? Jesus is male. God as you say is both since we are created in his image, where does that leave the HS?

Jesus says "When He, the Comforter(The Spirit of Truth) has come, He will guide you into all truth" (John 16) So Jesus is describing the Spirit as a "He".  God is infinite though----so He has infinite attributes. None of us can understand infinite things with finite limited minds.

The church is personified as female, a bride too, is the church a woman?

Can we just as easily say the church is a person now?

http://www.gotquestions.org/bride-of-Christ.html

Question: "What does it mean that the church is the bride of Christ?"

Answer: The imagery and symbolism of marriage is applied to Christ and the body of believers known as the church. These are those who have trusted in Jesus Christ as their personal savior and have received eternal life. In the New Testament, Christ, the Bridegroom, has sacrificially and lovingly chosen the church to be His bride (Ephesians 5:25-27). Just as there was a betrothal period in biblical times during which the bride and groom were separated until the wedding, so is the bride of Christ separate from her Bridegroom during the church age. Her responsibility during the betrothal period is to be faithful to Him (2 Corinthians 11:2; Ephesians 5:24). At the Second Coming of Christ, the church will be united with the Bridegroom, the official "wedding ceremony" will take place and, with it, the eternal union of Christ and His bride will be actualized (Revelation 19:7-9; 21:1-2).

At that time, all believers will inhabit the heavenly city known as New Jerusalem, also called "the holy city" in Revelation 21:2 and 10. The New Jerusalem is not the church, but it takes on the church's characteristics. In his vision of the end of the age, the Apostle John sees the city coming down from heaven adorned "as a bride," meaning that the inhabitants of the city, the redeemed of the Lord, will be holy and pure, wearing white garments of holiness and righteousness. Some have misinterpreted verse 9 to mean the holy city is the bride of Christ, but that cannot be because Christ died for His people, not for a city. The city is called the bride because it encompasses all who are the bride, just as all the students of a school are sometimes called "the school."

As believers in Jesus Christ, we who are the bride of Christ wait with great anticipation for the day when we will be united with our Bridegroom. Until then, we remain faithful to Him and say with all the redeemed of the Lord, "Come, Lord Jesus!" (Revelation 22:20).

Are you writing these articles you have posted? I noticed they are from the same website. Just curious.

Quote from: Man_Of_Honor on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 18:33:39

Quote from: Bitter Sweet on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 18:26:18

Quote from: Man_Of_Honor on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 18:20:01
Matthew 12:31–32

31 Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32 And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

This is one of my questions that hasn't been answered, how can we be forgiven for an aspect of the trinity if Jesus is an equal part?

http://www.gotquestions.org/who-Holy-Spirit.html

There are many misconceptions about the identity of the Holy Spirit. Some view the Holy Spirit as a mystical force. Others understand the Holy Spirit as the impersonal power that God makes available to followers of Christ. What does the Bible say about the identity of the Holy Spirit? Simply put, the Bible declares that the Holy Spirit is God. The Bible also tells us that the Holy Spirit is a divine person, a being with a mind, emotions, and a will.

The fact that the Holy Spirit is God is clearly seen in many Scriptures, including Acts 5:3-4. In this verse Peter confronts Ananias as to why he lied to the Holy Spirit and tells him that he had "not lied to men but to God." It is a clear declaration that lying to the Holy Spirit is lying to God. We can also know that the Holy Spirit is God because He possesses the characteristics of God. For example, His omnipresence is seen in Psalm 139:7-8, "Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence? If I go up to the heavens, you are there; if I make my bed in the depths, you are there." Then in 1 Corinthians 2:10-11, we see the characteristic of omniscience in the Holy Spirit. "But God has revealed it to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God."

We can know that the Holy Spirit is indeed a divine person because He possesses a mind, emotions, and a will. The Holy Spirit thinks and knows (1 Corinthians 2:10). The Holy Spirit can be grieved (Ephesians 4:30). The Spirit intercedes for us (Romans 8:26-27). He makes decisions according to His will (1 Corinthians 12:7-11). The Holy Spirit is God, the third Person of the Trinity. As God, the Holy Spirit can truly function as the Comforter and Counselor that Jesus promised He would be (John 14:16, 26, 15:26).


You would get a clearer picture by reading the scriptures.

Where in the scriptures is God the HS

It takes more than reading it takes widom knowledge and understanding

Where is The HS called God?

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John 16:12 (KJV)
I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

The Lord had many things he wanted to say to the disciples but they could not bear it so he did not tell them

The Godhead is one of those lesson that many are not able to bear

God the holy Ghost is one of those subject people believe but can't prove

The Godhead doesn't require proof to those who know and love Him.

Who is the Godhead? Do you know?

Yes, the Godhead consists of the Three Persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Let's read about the head and let's read if the Holy Spirit or God the Holy Spirit is there

Ephesians 5:23 (KJV)
For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

1 Corinthians 11:3 (KJV)
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Again somebody is missing

The head of woman is man
The head of man is Jesus
The head of Jesus is God

Somebody got left out again

The God head is Jesus and the Father

The head or SOURCE of all things is God. No one is left out. Holy Spirit doesn't proclaim Himself---He points to Christ and glorifies the Father.

The word is Godhead, not man head or flesh head

The head of woman is man
The head of man is Jesus
the head of Jesus is God

Who are the God's in the verse?
Who is not included?

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Man and woman are 1 flesh, then we have Jesus and God. Does the holy spirit have male or female attributes?

God is not based on what attributes we have-----we are based on what attributes He has---He created us--not the other way around.

So the HS isn't personified as male or female? If the HS is a person, the third person, is the HS a he or a she? Jesus is male. God as you say is both since we are created in his image, where does that leave the HS?

Jesus says "When He, the Comforter(The Spirit of Truth) has come, He will guide you into all truth" (John 16) So Jesus is describing the Spirit as a "He".  God is infinite though----so He has infinite attributes. None of us can understand infinite things with finite limited minds.

We are to have the mind of Jesus

1 Corinthians 2:16 (KJV)
For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

Amos 3:7 (KJV)
Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

Acts 7:52-53 (KJV)
Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers: [53] Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

Who gave the law?

I can tell that the trinitarians did not know how to prove the Godhead
I can tell that the trinitarians did not know that Jesus created everything in heaven
I can tell that the trinitarians did not know  that the HS comes in many forms
I can tell when a person lacks understanding
I can tell when the HS has not visited you

Before any of us can receive the HS not God the HS we have to keep the commandments


I can tell who is faking knowledge and who is not

Revelation 3:1 (KJV)
And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.

Hey everyone we have seven Spirits Of God

look at the capital s in Spirits we have 7 of them

Quote from: howard on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 21:00:22
The God head is Jesus and the Father

The head or SOURCE of all things is God. No one is left out. Holy Spirit doesn't proclaim Himself---He points to Christ and glorifies the Father.
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The word is Godhead, not man head or flesh head

The head of woman is man
The head of man is Jesus
the head of Jesus is God

Who are the God's in the verse?
Who is not included?
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You do err, Howard - you have stepped out of bounds.
You are now being carnal, and speaking from yourself, not having rightly divided the word of truth.
NOW LISTEN to your brother, and return to the Lord Most High,
and you will find forgiveness for your trespass.

But press on at your own risk.

I extend to you the Right Hand of fellowship - will you refuse it?

Sincerely,
Mikey

Quote from: howard on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 21:32:46
I can tell that the trinitarians did not know how to prove the Godhead
I can tell that the trinitarians did not know that Jesus created everything in heaven
I can tell that the trinitarians did not know  that the HS comes in many forms
I can tell when a person lacks understanding
I can tell when the HS has not visited you

Before any of us can receive the HS not God the HS we have to keep the commandments


I can tell who is faking knowledge and who is not

Quote from: Mikey888 on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 22:10:24

Quote from: howard on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 21:00:22
The God head is Jesus and the Father

The head or SOURCE of all things is God. No one is left out. Holy Spirit doesn't proclaim Himself---He points to Christ and glorifies the Father.

The word is Godhead, not man head or flesh head

The head of woman is man
The head of man is Jesus
the head of Jesus is God

Who are the God's in the verse?
Who is not included?
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You do err, Howard - you have stepped out of bounds.
You are now being carnal, and speaking from yourself, not having rightly divided the word of truth.
NOW LISTEN to your brother, and return to the Lord Most High,
and you will find forgiveness for your trespass.

But press on at your own risk.

I extend to you the Right Hand of fellowship - will you refuse it?

Sincerely,
Mikeyt
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Show me where Error at

God head
What is the meaning?


Don't get confuse with the protocol of God

Revelation 1:1 (KJV)
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

How many God's do you see above?

After The Father and Jesus what is the chain of command

The angel
The man

Where is God the HS?

It's called understanding and increasing knowledge

Peace brother

Quote from: howard on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 22:30:04

Show me where Error at

God head
What is the meaning?


Don't get confuse with the protocol of God

Revelation 1:1 (KJV)
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

How many God's do you see above?

After The Father and Jesus what is the chain of command

The angel
The man

Where is God the HS?

It's called understanding and increasing knowledge

Peace brother

Okay, this is error:

"The word is Godhead, not man head or flesh head

The head of woman is man
The head of man is Jesus
the head of Jesus is God"

Most of that is YOUR words, not God's Word.
You demonstrate what you have accused others of: faking true knowledge.
As I said: you are being carnal now - so STOP.   Turn.   Re-Turn to the Word of the Lord.

And change your tone, and I shall Help you,
or,
go your own way.

Mikey

Quote from: howard on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 20:35:13

The person who is rude is you LS anyway if you rea my post the capital HS is visible
But what has that to do with anything find God the HS in the bible and quit using childish tactics

I'm not rude, howie. I am just a strong contender for the Truth. The devil hates me too, and I am glad about that.

Pray about it earnestly, howie. You can receive the truth just as easily I as did. God is no respecter of persons.

Quote from: howard on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 20:42:37

Jesus words are spirit
Jesus is a spirit

John 4:24 (KJV)
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

When we run into the word spirit in the bible when does it apply to Jesus or the Father

Please post the scripture that defines Jesus as a spirit. He is a man, the Son of Man.

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Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 16:40:32

Quote from: howard on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 15:51:43
John 16:12 (KJV)
I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

The Lord had many things he wanted to say to the disciples but they could not bear it so he did not tell them

The Godhead is one of those lesson that many are not able to bear

God the holy Ghost is one of those subject people believe but can't prove

The Godhead doesn't require proof to those who know and love Him.

Who is the Godhead? Do you know?

Yes, the Godhead consists of the Three Persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Let's read about the head and let's read if the Holy Spirit or God the Holy Spirit is there

Ephesians 5:23 (KJV)
For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

1 Corinthians 11:3 (KJV)
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Again somebody is missing

The head of woman is man
The head of man is Jesus
The head of Jesus is God

Somebody got left out again

The God head is Jesus and the Father

The head or SOURCE of all things is God. No one is left out. Holy Spirit doesn't proclaim Himself---He points to Christ and glorifies the Father.

The word is Godhead, not man head or flesh head

The head of woman is man
The head of man is Jesus
the head of Jesus is God

Who are the God's in the verse?
Who is not included?

The word 'head' there means 'source'. God is the source of Jesus. Jesus is the source of man and man is the source of woman.

Godhead is the source of everything, and that includes Father, Son and Holy Spirit, who is portrayed as three at the baptism of Jesus Christ, and is who we need to name when we ourselves baptize others. If it were not for Holy Spirit, you wouldn't even have a Bible, nor would you be able to know God or function as a believer.

Quote from: howard on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 21:32:46
I can tell that the trinitarians did not know how to prove the Godhead
I can tell that the trinitarians did not know that Jesus created everything in heaven
I can tell that the trinitarians did not know  that the HS comes in many forms
I can tell when a person lacks understanding
I can tell when the HS has not visited you

Before any of us can receive the HS not God the HS we have to keep the commandments


I can tell who is faking knowledge and who is not

Bluster will get you nowhere.

Holy Spirit comes and dwells within us when we accept Jesus by faith. We don't have to keep the commandments for Him to come in.

Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 22:56:30

Quote from: howard on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 21:32:46
I can tell that the trinitarians did not know how to prove the Godhead
I can tell that the trinitarians did not know that Jesus created everything in heaven
I can tell that the trinitarians did not know  that the HS comes in many forms
I can tell when a person lacks understanding
I can tell when the HS has not visited you

Before any of us can receive the HS not God the HS we have to keep the commandments


I can tell who is faking knowledge and who is not

Bluster will get you nowhere.

Holy Spirit comes and dwells within us when we accept Jesus by faith. We don't have to keep the commandments for Him to come in.

Yea the HS do dwell in us and this HS that dwells in us is not God the HS

God'sword is wha dwells in us LS

Jesus said


John 14:12-16 (KJV)
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. [13] And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. [14] If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it. [15] If ye love me, keep my commandments. [16] And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

Before you can get the HS you have to meet the conditions God said above
One of those conditions is keeping the commandments

This is Jesus words LS
Is this bluster

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Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 22:56:30

Quote from: howard on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 21:32:46
I can tell that the trinitarians did not know how to prove the Godhead
I can tell that the trinitarians did not know that Jesus created everything in heaven
I can tell that the trinitarians did not know  that the HS comes in many forms
I can tell when a person lacks understanding
I can tell when the HS has not visited you

Before any of us can receive the HS not God the HS we have to keep the commandments


I can tell who is faking knowledge and who is not

Bluster will get you nowhere.

Holy Spirit comes and dwells within us when we accept Jesus by faith. We don't have to keep the commandments for Him to come in.

Yea the HS do dwell in us and this HS that dwells in us is not God
Jesus said
John 14:12-16 (KJV)
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. [13] And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. [14] If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it. [15] If ye love me, keep my commandments. [16] And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

Before you can get the HS you have to meet the conditions God said above
One of those conditions is keeping the commandments

This is Jesus words LS
Is this bluster

No. Before we can have the indwelling Holy Spirit, we must exercise our faith for salvation. Jesus was telling His many followers that they need to continue to walk in love together until Holy Spirit comes at Pentecost. He came, and is here now, working in the life of every believer.

You seem to lack some basic understanding in the plain reading of the word, howie. The worst part of that is that you refuse correction.

John 14:15-21
Jesus Promises the Holy Spirit

15 "If you love me, obey[d] my commandments. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate, who will never leave you. 17 He is the Holy Spirit, who leads into all truth. The world cannot receive him, because it isn't looking for him and doesn't recognize him. But you know him, because he lives with you now and later will be in you. 18 No, I will not abandon you as orphans—I will come to you. 19 Soon the world will no longer see me, but you will see me. Since I live, you also will live. 20 When I am raised to life again, you will know that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. 21 Those who accept my commandments and obey them are the ones who love me. And because they love me, my Father will love them. And I will love them and reveal myself to each of them."

Jesus says that He will be in us---how is that? BY His Spirit, the Spirit of Christ---who is GOD!

Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 22:53:40

Quote from: howard on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 21:00:22

Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 18:18:17

Quote from: howard on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 18:03:55

Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 17:54:46

Quote from: howard on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 16:46:39

Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 16:40:32

Quote from: howard on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 15:51:43
John 16:12 (KJV)
I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

The Lord had many things he wanted to say to the disciples but they could not bear it so he did not tell them

The Godhead is one of those lesson that many are not able to bear

God the holy Ghost is one of those subject people believe but can't prove

The Godhead doesn't require proof to those who know and love Him.

Who is the Godhead? Do you know?

Yes, the Godhead consists of the Three Persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Let's read about the head and let's read if the Holy Spirit or God the Holy Spirit is there

Ephesians 5:23 (KJV)
For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

1 Corinthians 11:3 (KJV)
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Again somebody is missing

The head of woman is man
The head of man is Jesus
The head of Jesus is God

Somebody got left out again

The God head is Jesus and the Father

The head or SOURCE of all things is God. No one is left out. Holy Spirit doesn't proclaim Himself---He points to Christ and glorifies the Father.

The word is Godhead, not man head or flesh head

The head of woman is man
The head of man is Jesus
the head of Jesus is God

Who are the God's in the verse?
Who is not included?

The word 'head' there means 'source'. God is the source of Jesus. Jesus is the source of man and man is the source of woman.

Godhead is the source of everything, and that includes Father, Son and Holy Spirit, who is portrayed as three at the baptism of Jesus Christ, and is who we need to name when we ourselves baptize others. If it were not for Holy Spirit, you wouldn't even have a Bible, nor would you be able to know God or function as a believer.

Where are you getting this stuff from

The meaning of Head is this
Head:  1. To be chief of, command, foremost in importance. 2. To assume or be placed in the first position.

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Quote from: howard on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 20:35:13

The person who is rude is you LS anyway if you rea my post the capital HS is visible
But what has that to do with anything find God the HS in the bible and quit using childish tactics

I'm not rude, howie. I am just a strong contender for the Truth. The devil hates me too, and I am glad about that.

Pray about it earnestly, howie. You can receive the truth just as easily I as did. God is no respecter of persons.

you are Rude

God: 1. A being of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in and worshiped by a people.  2. One that is worshiped or idealized as a god. 3. GOD. A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic (the belief in one GOD) religions.

Head:  1. To be chief of, command, foremost in importance. 2. To assume or be placed in the first position.

Hood: 1. The state, condition, or quality of being. manhood. 2. All the members of a grouping of a specified nature: neighborhood, family, MAN, etc. (one body with more than one member).

Godhead: 1. Divinity. 2. The essential and divine nature of God.

Godhood: The state or quality of being a god; divinity.

minister: A person serving as an agent for another by carrying out specified orders.

Spirit: The Holy Ghost, a supernatural being.

Quote from: howard on Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 23:36:19
Where are you getting this stuff from

The meaning of Head is this
Head:  1. To be chief of, command, foremost in importance. 2. To assume or be placed in the first position.

Not in the verse you used. 'Kephale' in that verse refers to origin or source. In fact, the verse you are using isn't applicable to this discussion.