Proclaiming the Sabbath more fully at the End Time

[Gerhard Ebersöhn]

Martel:
The word Sabbath is first found in Exodus. The word 'rest' in Genesis simply means to keep as a day of rest.

Martel:
The Jewish Sabbath ended at the cross when Christ annulled the "written code."

So, for Martel, the fact the word "Sabbath" is found in the Bible means it's not "'for New Testament believers'"; it's "'annulled'".

And so, for Martel, the fact the word, "the _Jewish_ Sabbath" is not found in the Bible means Sunday worship is for NT believers.

Martel should go for politicking!

[Shubee]

God's Sabbath was instituted at creation 2000 years before a Jew ever existed, before sin existed for perfect people

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And after that, the Seventh-day Adventist church has sanctified abortion and has been persecuting those who express dissent.

Matthew 7:5
You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

[Charles Martel]

bye

[Shubee]

So does your church adhere to the law and kill people who don't observe the Sabbath?

At Seventh-day Adventist abortion centers, the Sabbath is a special day to abort babies.

[beam]

I rest on Saturday as I do every day.  That does not mean I stop doing anything for 24 hours.   God never did give a decree for anyone to stop doing anything on the seventh-day until after the Red Sea crossing.   To try to say anything different would be a misnomer.

[Gerhard Ebersöhn]

Beam:
I rest on Saturday as I do every day.  That does not mean I stop doing anything for 24 hours.   God never did give a decree for anyone to stop doing anything on the seventh-day until after the Red Sea crossing.   To try to say anything different would be a misnomer.

Who could possibly be interested in any of this nothing better or worse than your own feelings and wishes after personal fame? WHO CARES WHAT "'I do every day'" or no day?

But I care the moment you talk nonsense and lies about what God did or "'never did'" ... and then try sound learned with absolute linguistic '"misnomer'" rubbish...

[beam]

Who could possibly be interested in any of this nothing better or worse than your own feelings and wishes after personal fame? WHO CARES WHAT "'I do every day'" or no day?

But I care the moment you talk nonsense and lies about what God did or "'never did'" ... and then try sound learned with absolute linguistic '"misnomer'" rubbish...

Sorry that I caused you to write such a bitter post.   How is this working in your everyday life Gerhard?

[Amo]

I rest on Saturday as I do every day.  That does not mean I stop doing anything for 24 hours.   God never did give a decree for anyone to stop doing anything on the seventh-day until after the Red Sea crossing.   To try to say anything different would be a misnomer.

God established seventh day rest at creation. He blessed and sanctified the day. No one but God can ever change that.

Gen 26:2 And the LORD appeared unto him, and said, Go not down into Egypt; dwell in the land which I shall tell thee of: 3 Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father; 4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; 5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Do you know what the commandments, statutes, and laws of God which Abraham kept are? Of course not, scripture does not record this. You cannot say that Sabbath observance was not one of them, just as we cannot say it certainly was. We can say that the seventh day Sabbath was established by God at creation, and therefore was likely kept by one God said kept His commandments, statutes, and laws.

Regardless, God came down to His people and verbally commanded them to observe His Sabbath, then wrote the same command for them twice with His own hand. If you do not want to do what God has commanded His people to do, you are of course at liberty to disregard the same. God's followers seek to keep His commands by faith, not force. We leave this to the Sunday sacredness proponents who have, do, and will continue to force their day of rest upon all.   

[current occupant2]

God established seventh day rest at creation. He blessed and sanctified the day. No one but God can ever change that.

The event blessed by God had no evening nor morning.    READ Genesis 2!!

Gen 26:2 And the LORD appeared unto him, and said, Go not down into Egypt; dwell in the land which I shall tell thee of: 3 Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father; 4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; 5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.



Do you know what the commandments, statutes, and laws of God which Abraham kept are? Of course not, scripture does not record this. You cannot say that Sabbath observance was not one of them, just as we cannot say it certainly was. We can say that the seventh day Sabbath was established by God at creation, and therefore was likely kept by one God said kept His commandments, statutes, and laws.

Regardless, God came down to His people and verbally commanded them to observe His Sabbath, then wrote the same command for them twice with His own hand. If you do not want to do what God has commanded His people to do, you are of course at liberty to disregard the same. God's followers seek to keep His commands by faith, not force. We leave this to the Sunday sacredness proponents who have, do, and will continue to force their day of rest upon all.

The "charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws" kept by Abraham are fully specified in the book of Genesis as the faithfulness of Abraham is revealed. 

While there are several other commands issued by God in the book of Genesis, There is no command nor is there any example of any human keeping the 7th day as a "sabbath" in the book of Genesis. 

[Gerhard Ebersöhn]

CO2
The event blessed by God had no evening nor morning.    READ Genesis 2!!

Nonsense.
Every "day" in the first 3 chapters of Genesis is marked at "evening"-beginning and "morning-" or "daylight"-ending, the very "'event'" of each day here, with your remark by yourself confirmed, "'The event blessed by God --of each day-- had (an) evening (and) morning.'"

Three times in 2:2,3 is the "Seventh Day" called "The Seventh Day" in sequential reference and with consistent relevancy to its SIX fore-going "DAYS".
Why should "the Seventh Day" not have had its own evening and morning?
Because, according to your shallow and predisposed reading of Genesis it is written that "'the event'" of "the Seventh Day" "'had no evening nor morning'"!
But it IS NOT WRITTEN that "'the event'" of "the Seventh Day" "'had no evening nor morning'"! You're simply lying.

Fact is, it IS WRITTEN, and written in Genesis, that "'the event'" of "the Seventh Day" had an evening as well as morning!
Anyone with any savvy reading the 2nd and 3rd chapters sees that he is reading a summary and follow-up of Genesis 1:1 to 2:1 in 2:2 to 3:24. Days 1 to 5 are summarised in 2:4-6; then the Sixth Day's "'event'" is more fully described in 2:7-3:7 until just before where in verse 8
"IN THE EVENING COOL OF THE DAY they (Adam and Eve)
HEARD THE VOICE (Christ The Word) OF THE LORD GOD"
when "the Seventh Day", "the-to-hear-the-Word-of-God-Sabbath-Day" (Act 13:44) had had begun.
And when it was morning THAT SELFSAME DAY OF ESSENCE THE LORD'S DAY,
"the LORD GOD sent man FORTH from the garden of Eden and DROVE him OUT and placed at the EAST (where the morning just broke), cherubims and a flaming sword."

[beam]

God established seventh day rest at creation. He blessed and sanctified the day.

The account does not tell us God established the seventh day rest at creation.  It only tells us He blessed that one day.  Any other reasoning is just pure speculation

No one but God can ever change that.

Why would God ever even want to change the fact that He blessed and rested on the day after creation.

Gen 26:2 And the LORD appeared unto him, and said, Go not down into Egypt; dwell in the land which I shall tell thee of: 3 Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father; 4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; 5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Do you know what the commandments, statutes, and laws of God which Abraham kept are? Of course not, scripture does not record this. You cannot say that Sabbath observance was not one of them, just as we cannot say it certainly was. We can say that the seventh day Sabbath was established by God at creation, and therefore was likely kept by one God said kept His commandments, statutes, and laws.

Regardless, God came down to His people and verbally commanded them to observe His Sabbath, then wrote the same command for them twice with His own hand. If you do not want to do what God has commanded His people to do, you are of course at liberty to disregard the same. God's followers seek to keep His commands by faith, not force. We leave this to the Sunday sacredness proponents who have, do, and will continue to force their day of rest upon all.

Quite a bit of truth in your quote.  You are right on when you wrote "His people".  His people were the nation of Israel.  No where did He ever ask or command any other nation or people to observe the day set aside for his chosen, Israel. 

As to your statement about Sunday sacredness proponents you will have to address those who regard Sunday as a holy day, I certainly do not and most of the people I know feel the same.  And who is forcing you to worship on Sunday or refraining you to do anything???  You have allowed yourself to believe a false prophet and a false belief system that has you bound.  God has told me, through the Holy Spirit's guidance in understanding scripture, that mankind is no longer under the ministry of death, the 10 commandments.  They were Israel's guide and according to 2Cor3:7-11 were replaced by the Holy Spirit.  If you cannot see the light God has given all mankind then yes you are bound to Ellen White and her belief system and have surely been duped.

7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.

11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

[Gerhard Ebersöhn]

Beam:
The account does not tell us God established the seventh day rest at creation.  It only tells us He blessed that one day.  Any other reasoning is just pure speculation

Says Beam, "'The account does not tell us God established the seventh day rest at creation.'" Is it written: "God thus concerning the Seventh DAY spake: And God That DAY The Seventh DAY, from all his works: RESTED." One here saying or speaking, one here reasoning or speculating, IS A FOOL: God, or, Beam!

[Gerhard Ebersöhn]

Beam:
The account does not tell us God established the seventh day rest at creation.  It only tells us He blessed that one day.  Any other reasoning is just pure speculation
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Beam:
Why would God ever even want to change the fact that He blessed and rested on the day after creation.

It is clear who is the FOOL here!

[Gerhard Ebersöhn]

Beam:
No where did He ever ask or command any other nation or people to observe the day set aside for his chosen, Israel.

How absolutely clear and true! No wonder you don't see the clarity and truth of the Sabbath OF THE LORD ... YOUR (o Israel) ... GOD!"

[Gerhard Ebersöhn]

Beam:
You have allowed yourself to believe a false prophet and a false belief system that has you bound.  God has told me, through the Holy Spirit's guidance in understanding scripture, that mankind is no longer under the ministry of death, the 10 commandments.  They were Israel's guide and according to 2Cor3:7-11 were replaced by the Holy Spirit.  If you cannot see the light God has given all mankind then yes you are bound to Ellen White and her belief system and have surely been duped.

The false spirit is your, Beam's, spirit, which you, blaspheming, claim is God's Holy Spirit. Notice the ever-present accompanying lies and errors.

[Amo]

The account does not tell us God established the seventh day rest at creation.  It only tells us He blessed that one day.  Any other reasoning is just pure speculation

Why would God ever even want to change the fact that He blessed and rested on the day after creation.
Quite a bit of truth in your quote.  You are right on when you wrote "His people".  His people were the nation of Israel.  No where did He ever ask or command any other nation or people to observe the day set aside for his chosen, Israel. 

As to your statement about Sunday sacredness proponents you will have to address those who regard Sunday as a holy day, I certainly do not and most of the people I know feel the same.  And who is forcing you to worship on Sunday or refraining you to do anything???  You have allowed yourself to believe a false prophet and a false belief system that has you bound.  God has told me, through the Holy Spirit's guidance in understanding scripture, that mankind is no longer under the ministry of death, the 10 commandments.  They were Israel's guide and according to 2Cor3:7-11 were replaced by the Holy Spirit.  If you cannot see the light God has given all mankind then yes you are bound to Ellen White and her belief system and have surely been duped.

7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.

11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

You are in denial my friend. God blessed and sanctified the seventh day at creation, it has been blessed and sanctified ever since. Thus the command to remember the Sabbath, not to make a Sabbath. Making the Sabbath already took place at creation 2000 years before there ever was a Jew or sin.

Nor are there any children of God outside of the Israel of God. If you have not been graft into the vine, then you are separate from it, which is a lost condition. Are you a child of Abraham by faith or not? Are you a fellow citizen of the Saints or not? All Israel will be saved. Have you become one with God's chosen people or not? Jesus Christ did not make two new men, He made one new man. Is Jesus Christ the King and Messiah of the Jews your Lord and Savior or not? Please reconsider, and depart from the tenets of the false gospel of two new men, and two new nations of God in this new covenant era. One of those men and nations is lost.

Sunday sacredness is and has been forced upon countless people since the days of Constantine through human legislation. There are restriction concerning various things on Sundays right now in my state. New Sunday laws have been popping back up in Europe and other places in the last few decades, and many including the church of Rome of course continue to preach and pursue a course of action intended to make these laws universal. These are the plain simple facts, facts which you apparently deny and continue to deny even though they are being played out for all to see. Go to the thread Sabbath, Sunday, and Legalism, where there is the ongoing evidence of the above presented in detail. Start at the beginning, and read and deny as your wish and do.

[Gerhard Ebersöhn]

Amo:
Sunday sacredness is and has been forced upon countless people since the days of Constantine through human legislation. There are restriction concerning various things on Sundays right now in my state. New Sunday laws have been popping back up in Europe and other places in the last few decades, and many including the church of Rome of course continue to preach and pursue a course of action intended to make these laws universal. These are the plain simple facts, facts which you apparently deny and continue to deny even though they are being played out for all to see. Go to the thread Sabbath, Sunday, and Legalism, where there is the ongoing evidence of the above presented in detail. Start at the beginning, and read and deny as your wish and do.

Sunday sacredness has been and is forced upon every single Christian through human manipulation and corruption of the Text since the break in the twentieth century of the day of the 'New Translations' of Scripture. Doctored editions and versions of the Bible, especially of the NT, have been popping up 'new', and have become the norm and standard in Europe as all over the world in the last few decades, and many - foremost the church of Rome - preach and pursue a course of action intended to make these fraudulent corruptions, universal and permanent.
THESE are the plain and simple facts, facts which you at all cost deny even though they are being played out for all to see and READ, right in their Bibles. Go to the Scriptures and start to read anywhere, and see if you have the courage to deal with the doings of these criminals calling themselves by the Name of Christ, because it is not a nice discovery begging to be made by an honest believer.

[beam]

You are in denial my friend.

If I am in denial then please explain why God never gave the Sabbath to gentiles.

God blessed and sanctified the seventh day at creation, it has been blessed and sanctified ever since.

Please explain how you came to that conclusion.  You certainly do not have any Biblical support for your statement.

Thus the command to remember the Sabbath, not to make a Sabbath.

Rember can mean two things, one remember I gave it to you at the beginning or I am giving you the Sabbath and don't forget it.  Since no one ever was told to observe it the first scenario wouldn't fit.

Making the Sabbath already took place at creation 2000 years before there ever was a Jew or sin.

If you call God resting on the seventh day after creation a sabbath I will accept that, but to try to tell us He blessed every seventh day after the day God rested is not Biblical.

Nor are there any children of God outside of the Israel of God.

All of the children of the Earth are God's children.  Most have never heard of Jesus let alone the grafting procedure.  I am glad you are not the judge.  There are many things we don't know.  Right here in the good old USA there are millions who have never been privy to God's plan for His children nand to write that they are all lost is not using good judgment.

Are you a child of Abraham by faith or notIf you have not been graft into the vine, then you are separate from it, which is a lost condition. ? Are you a fellow citizen of the Saints or not? All Israel will be saved.

First of all when we accept Jesus as Savior we are grafted into Him not Israel.

I noticed that you didn't comment on 2Cor 3:7-11 and continue to try to tell us the Sabbath must be observed.  No Sabbath law, no Sabbath obligation, but you will not accept that fact and continue to spread falsehood. I will comment on Romans 11 by telling you that I do not fully understand that chapter, you, on the other hand, seem to understand it.  So, tell me how the branches that were broken off the vine can still be a living part of the vine?  If all Israel is to be saved and you even wrote that we must be part of the vine to be saved then how could ALL the Israelites be saved if they have been broken from the vine?  There has to be more to the story than what Paul wrote.

Have you become one with God's chosen people or not? Jesus Christ did not make two new men, He made one new man. Is Jesus Christ the King and Messiah of the Jews your Lord and Savior or not?

I guess that either I have not made myself clear or you have not been reading my posts.  How many times do I have to tell you SDAs that I believe in Jesus Christ as my Savior and I love others as Jesus loves us.  As John states in 1Jn3:19-24 if we meet that requirement of verse 19 Here's how we know that we hold to the truth.

Please reconsider, and depart from the tenets of the false gospel of two new men, and two new nations of God in this new covenant era. One of those men and nations is lost.

It is you that needs to "reconsider".  You are the one spreading and trying to keep a false gospel.   

Sunday sacredness is and has been forced upon countless people since the days of Constantine through human legislation. There are restriction concerning various things on Sundays right now in my state. New Sunday laws have been popping back up in Europe and other places in the last few decades, and many including the church of Rome of course continue to preach and pursue a course of action intended to make these laws universal. These are the plain simple facts, facts which you apparently deny and continue to deny even though they are being played out for all to see.

I do not deny that men has been inhumane to man.  There have been many things happen that are not how God would have  liked for us to live by.  The fact is that the ones you and your church are trying to push onto the World are not one of them.

Go to the thread Sabbath, Sunday, and Legalism, where there is the ongoing evidence of the above presented in detail. Start at the beginning, and read and deny as your wish and do.

The ignorances of past men do not qualify what you are trying to promote.  Making people go to church on any day is wrong.  SDAs telling the World that we will all go to Hell because we do not worship on Saturday is completely wrong.  More wrong that those who imposed Sunday on others.     You cannot even be sure that the day you call Holy is the same day Jesus rested in the tomb.   You avoid 2Cor 3:7-11 because it does not uphold your belief system.

[Gerhard Ebersöhn]

Beam:
If I am in denial please explain why God never gave the Sabbath to gentiles.

GE:
To claim that God never gave the Sabbath to gentiles is not only denial or just a lie; it's downright stupidity.

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Amo:
God blessed and sanctified the seventh day at creation, it has been blessed and sanctified ever since.

Beam:
Please explain how you came to that conclusion.  You certainly do not have any Biblical support for your statement.

GE:
If anything could be more stupid than your claim just now, this your 'certainty' certainly is.

[Gerhard Ebersöhn]

Beam:
If you call God resting on the seventh day after creation a sabbath I will accept that, but to try to tell us He blessed every seventh day after the day God rested is not Biblical.

No one calls "'God ... a sabbath'". How stupid can your questions get before you won't accept them? Meantime we must sit up with them FCOL

That God "'blessed every seventh day after the day He rested'" is as Biblical as can be. First don't lie --twice in one remark-- with telling us "'He blessed __every__ seventh day after __the_day__ God rested'"!

BIBLICALLY, "God The Seventh Day rested" "The" first ever "Seventh Day" of the first ever week of the first ever seven days of creation; and having "blessed The Seventh Day God" by having "RESTED ON THAT DAY THE Seventh Day... blessed THE Seventh Day", viz., "That Day The Seventh Day God THUS CONCERNING spake", "spake" ONCE FOR ALL for all "weeks'-Sabbaths" on earth until on the New Earth and forevermore. In fact, in the New Testament it is written "God... by the Son... in these last days... thus concerning The Seventh Day spake, And God THAT DAY The SEVENTH Day rested from all his works."

[beam]

No one calls "'God ... a sabbath'". How stupid can your questions get before you won't accept them? Meantime we must sit up with them FCOL

First of all I don't understand why you would write such a post.  It reeks of venum toward your fellow man.  Secondly, I am only wasting my time eve.  I want answers to my "stupid" questions and I now can see that you are not able so you revert to posts full of rancor.   Jesus command for us to love our fellow man as He loves us seems like it has not penetrated if you live like you write.

That God "'blessed every seventh day after the day He rested'" is as Biblical as can be. First don't lie --twice in one remark-- with telling us "'He blessed __every__ seventh day after __the_day__ God rested'"!

BIBLICALLY, "God The Seventh Day rested" "The" first ever "Seventh Day" of the first ever week of the first ever seven days of creation; and having "blessed The Seventh Day God" by having "RESTED ON THAT DAY THE Seventh Day... blessed THE Seventh Day", viz., "That Day The Seventh Day God THUS CONCERNING spake", "spake" ONCE FOR ALL for all "weeks'-Sabbaths" on earth until on the New Earth and forevermore. In fact, in the New Testament it is written "God... by the Son... in these last days... thus concerning The Seventh Day spake, And God THAT DAY THE Seventh Day rested from all his works."

All that is so disjointed and of course has not proven anything I write as being a "lie".

[Gerhard Ebersöhn]

I guess that either I have not made myself clear or you have not been reading my posts.  How many times do I have to tell you SDAs that I believe in Jesus Christ as my Savior and I love others as Jesus loves us.  As John states in 1Jn3:19-24 if we meet that requirement of verse 19 Here's how we know that we hold to the truth.

Nothing than a defiant better-than-others self-righteous hypocrite makes claims like these. You, Beam, do NOT "'love others as Jesus loves us'"; "'we'" - no one of "'us ... meet that requirement'".

If that is how you "'know that you hold to the truth'", I'll be damned.

[Gerhard Ebersöhn]

All that is so disjointed and of course has not proven anything I write as being a "lie".

Besides your horrific abuse of Genesis 2:2,3, your adding the word 'every' and your omitting the word "SEVENTH", are LIES.

[beam]

Nothing than a defiant better-than-others self-righteous hypocrite makes claims like these. You, Beam, do NOT "'love others as Jesus loves us'"; "'we'" - no one of "'us ... meet that requirement'"

Yes, I realize that.  I also realize that Jesus shed His blood to cover where I go wrong.  I also know something else, not loving what a person writes is not, in any way, not loving the person who writes such nasty things.    We all fall short, at least I am trying to do what Jesus has asked of us.

If that is how you "'know that you hold to the truth'", I'll be damned.

I didn't write it John did and I, for one, believe.   Why do you not believe?

[Gerhard Ebersöhn]

Beam:
First of all I don't understand why you would write such a post.  It reeks of venum toward your fellow man.  Secondly, I am only wasting my time eve.  I want answers to my "stupid" questions and I now can see that you are not able so you revert to posts full of rancor.   Jesus command for us to love our fellow man as He loves us seems like it has not penetrated if you live like you write.

...Beam of darkness...

[current occupant2]

The flower pots of adventism have taken over the sda section of this forum....

There are no "mainstream" sda's who post here.

The only "SDA compliant posters" are those who identify with the extreme views of the type held by David Koresh and Michael Trevaser, Eugene Shubert and of course Gerhard Ebersöhn. 

Some lesser SDA types are also here - but they have admitted that they believe that the SDA church has apostatised from the original teaching and that the SDA church is fast becoming babylon.

Can't get a logical, biblical discussion from any of them. 

[beam]

The flower pots of adventism have taken over the sda section of this forum....

There are no "mainstream" sda's who post here.

Can't get a logical, biblical discussion from any of them.

Boy ain't that the truth.

[Amo]

The flower pots of adventism have taken over the sda section of this forum....

There are no "mainstream" sda's who post here.

The only "SDA compliant posters" are those who identify with the extreme views of the type held by David Koresh and Michael Trevaser, Eugene Shubert and of course Gerhard Ebersöhn. 

Some lesser SDA types are also here - but they have admitted that they believe that the SDA church has apostatised from the original teaching and that the SDA church is fast becoming babylon.

Can't get a logical, biblical discussion from any of them.

Strange coming from one who rarely discusses anything, just hurls accusations. You have certainly not demonstrated the art of logical discussion, let alone biblical discussion on these threads. More like hit and run tactics.

Who is like David Koresh? Do you know what he was like?

[Amo]

Boy ain't that the truth.

Says the ex SDA.

[current occupant2]

Strange coming from one who rarely discusses anything, just hurls accusations. You have certainly not demonstrated the art of logical discussion, let alone biblical discussion on these threads. More like hit and run tactics.

Who is like David Koresh? Do you know what he was like?

Yet you refuse to discuss what you have called "accusations". 

Koresh was the logical end point in teachings and actions of Seventh-day adventism.

We see him at his starting point in the collective sda's on here who twist scripture to their own purposes and in the threats and intimidation to those who disagree with their wackjob teachings and "theology". 

[current occupant2]

Satan loves the sabbath because it detracts from and distracts from the Gospel of Jesus Christ. 

Why wouldn't satan want saturday to be veneratied as SDA's teach it to be. 

[Amo]

Yet you refuse to discuss what you have called "accusations". 

Koresh was the logical end point in teachings and actions of Seventh-day adventism.

We see him at his starting point in the collective sda's on here who twist scripture to their own purposes and in the threats and intimidation to those who disagree with their wackjob teachings and "theology".

Baloney! What threats and intimidation? David Koresh was a wack job that thought he was the Lord Jesus Christ. More lying accusations about where SDA teachings and actions lead. No meat, no scripture, just constant accusations.

[current occupant2]

Baloney! What threats and intimidation? David Koresh was a wack job that thought he was the Lord Jesus Christ. More lying accusations about where SDA teachings and actions lead. No meat, no scripture, just constant accusations.

Yes, Amo, Without Ellen's writings to support his "wack job" ideas, Koresh would not have been able to exert the same hold on his followers. 

Koresh is ultimately the logical end point for Ellen's and sda's teachings that do replace the Gospel of Jesus Christ with a false gospel - which is no gospel at all. 

[Amo]

Yes, Amo, Without Ellen's writings to support his "wack job" ideas, Koresh would not have been able to exert the same hold on his followers. 

Koresh is ultimately the logical end point for Ellen's and sda's teachings that do replace the Gospel of Jesus Christ with a false gospel - which is no gospel at all.

More BALONEY! When I met him, he did not mention or use EGW's writings. After sending his three prophets or what have you several days ahead of himself to prepare the way for him, he arrived and began his manipulation through vagueness and confusion. When I began to question him to get down to the bottom of what his main point was, he was highly disappointed and reprimanded those who were supposed to have prepared the way for him. I specifically recall him giving them the evil eye, and saying to them, I thought you said these people were ready. I suppose a few others and I who arrived that day, had not been properly prepared by his chosen forerunners.

Eventually I asked him point blank if he was saying that we need to forget everything we know or think we know and listen to and believe only him, he said yes. Shortly thereafter I asked him three times point blank if he was saying that he was the Lord Jesus Christ, he would not answer the question, but immediately changed the subject or attempted to redirect the conversation. After the third time asking without him acknowledging that he was not the Lord Jesus Christ I stood up and stated to all that I was not going to stay and listen to a man who would not deny that he was saying that he was the Lord Jesus Christ. I and several others left the meeting. The people that stayed and were deceived were not deceived because of EGW as you falsely claim. They were deceived because they listened to another over and above scripture, claiming to be Jesus Christ himself. If they had believed scripture and the words of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ himself warning of the many false Christ's that would appear, they would not have been deceived.

EGW has and had nothing to do with people who would listen to and believe a man professing to be the Lord Jesus Christ, and telling them they must forget everything they know and believe him alone. No one can do anything for people like that. All who refuse to think and act for themselves in relation to God alone in searching out and understanding the truths of God's word will be deceived. No one can do these things for us. The word of God is the standard that all are measured by.

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Yes, YOU have provided more BALONEY!!

More BALONEY! When I met him, he did not mention or use EGW's writings. After sending his three prophets or what have you several days ahead of himself to prepare the way for him, he arrived and began his manipulation through vagueness and confusion. When I began to question him to get down to the bottom of what his main point was, he was highly disappointed and reprimanded those who were supposed to have prepared the way for him. I specifically recall him giving them the evil eye, and saying to them, I thought you said these people were ready. I suppose a few others and I who arrived that day, had not been properly prepared by his chosen forerunners.

Eventually I asked him point blank if he was saying that we need to forget everything we know or think we know and listen to and believe only him, he said yes. Shortly thereafter I asked him three times point blank if he was saying that he was the Lord Jesus Christ, he would not answer the question, but immediately changed the subject or attempted to redirect the conversation. After the third time asking without him acknowledging that he was not the Lord Jesus Christ I stood up and stated to all that I was not going to stay and listen to a man who would not deny that he was saying that he was the Lord Jesus Christ. I and several others left the meeting. The people that stayed and were deceived were not deceived because of EGW as you falsely claim. They were deceived because they listened to another over and above scripture, claiming to be Jesus Christ himself. If they had believed scripture and the words of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ himself warning of the many false Christ's that would appear, they would not have been deceived.

EGW has and had nothing to do with people who would listen to and believe a man professing to be the Lord Jesus Christ, and telling them they must forget everything they know and believe him alone. No one can do anything for people like that. All who refuse to think and act for themselves in relation to God alone in searching out and understanding the truths of God's word will be deceived. No one can do these things for us. The word of God is the standard that all are measured by.